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	<title>Comments on: Reading feeds on a PDA</title>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffbysarah.net/2006/08/10/reading-feeds-on-a-pda/#comment-1915</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, my apologies, feel free to use my PHP learning section ;)

As for the feed control... hmm you&#039;ve got me thinking now. I know what you mean, essentially they&#039;re going to grab the feed via a username but display it using their own site, not parsing your feed. However from what I can tell these spammers pull the feed from searching say the feedburner database which of course would just have the excerpt. I&#039;d imagine that if a spammer is prepared to sign up to get a unique id (if you make them hard to guess like a 7 digit number they&#039;ll never forge another user&#039;s) just to get the full feeds then that spammer would be prepared to copy directly from the website. It&#039;s a shame there&#039;d be no way of embedding in a code into the feed.

Anyhow, debate aside, your site is on my frequent feeds list so it&#039;s read on the laptop regardless ;)  (after all that) - still a good discussion that&#039;s got me thinking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, my apologies, feel free to use my PHP learning section <img src='http://www.stuffbysarah.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As for the feed control&#8230; hmm you&#039;ve got me thinking now. I know what you mean, essentially they&#039;re going to grab the feed via a username but display it using their own site, not parsing your feed. However from what I can tell these spammers pull the feed from searching say the feedburner database which of course would just have the excerpt. I&#039;d imagine that if a spammer is prepared to sign up to get a unique id (if you make them hard to guess like a 7 digit number they&#039;ll never forge another user&#039;s) just to get the full feeds then that spammer would be prepared to copy directly from the website. It&#039;s a shame there&#039;d be no way of embedding in a code into the feed.</p>
<p>Anyhow, debate aside, your site is on my frequent feeds list so it&#039;s read on the laptop regardless <img src='http://www.stuffbysarah.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   (after all that) &#8211; still a good discussion that&#039;s got me thinking!</p>
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		<title>By: 45n5</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffbysarah.net/2006/08/10/reading-feeds-on-a-pda/#comment-1909</link>
		<dc:creator>45n5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a php hack, not proficient at all :-)

Even with a user name tacked on a feed url, if the content shows up on a site, there is no way to relate that content to a feed user.  For instance I sub to sarahfeed.php?user=45n5 locally and publish the content on a random site.  There is no way for you to tell which feed it&#039;s originating from, maybe the content got there from sarahfeed.php?user=bobG.  If I understand things correctly.

Even by IP doesn&#039;t work.  When I experimented myself with feed ripping I grabbed the feeds on my local machine and uploaded to my DB.  So the offending site IP never showed in the logs of the sites I ripped, just appeared like a normal user.

Pda&#039;s aren&#039;t the only users that small snippets hurt, people that travel or anybody that reads their feeds away from an internet connection can&#039;t read anything but the snippet.  Bummer and I feel you.

I&#039;ve seen the debate many times, never with an answer.  However it&#039;s generally agreed the best way to NOT have your feed stolen is not offer it in a full text format.  Personally I just had my feeds stolen one to many times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m a php hack, not proficient at all <img src='http://www.stuffbysarah.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Even with a user name tacked on a feed url, if the content shows up on a site, there is no way to relate that content to a feed user.  For instance I sub to sarahfeed.php?user=45n5 locally and publish the content on a random site.  There is no way for you to tell which feed it&#039;s originating from, maybe the content got there from sarahfeed.php?user=bobG.  If I understand things correctly.</p>
<p>Even by IP doesn&#039;t work.  When I experimented myself with feed ripping I grabbed the feeds on my local machine and uploaded to my DB.  So the offending site IP never showed in the logs of the sites I ripped, just appeared like a normal user.</p>
<p>Pda&#039;s aren&#039;t the only users that small snippets hurt, people that travel or anybody that reads their feeds away from an internet connection can&#039;t read anything but the snippet.  Bummer and I feel you.</p>
<p>I&#039;ve seen the debate many times, never with an answer.  However it&#039;s generally agreed the best way to NOT have your feed stolen is not offer it in a full text format.  Personally I just had my feeds stolen one to many times.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffbysarah.net/2006/08/10/reading-feeds-on-a-pda/#comment-1908</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris - The function doesn&#039;t interfere with the RSS feed :)

Mark - Good point, something I didn&#039;t think about. I just ignore people duplicating my posts. Most blogs that have used one or more of my posts are usually shut down by blogger or just disappear off into the distance after a few days. 

How about offering a full feed subscription service? Allow people to sign up to your site to get the full feed. Perhaps they tag their username on the end of the feed to get it in full. This way if anything got ripped off you could follow the username being used. Just a thought. I know I could write it in PHP and I think you&#039;re pretty proficient in PHP too :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris &#8211; The function doesn&#039;t interfere with the RSS feed <img src='http://www.stuffbysarah.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Mark &#8211; Good point, something I didn&#039;t think about. I just ignore people duplicating my posts. Most blogs that have used one or more of my posts are usually shut down by blogger or just disappear off into the distance after a few days. </p>
<p>How about offering a full feed subscription service? Allow people to sign up to your site to get the full feed. Perhaps they tag their username on the end of the feed to get it in full. This way if anything got ripped off you could follow the username being used. Just a thought. I know I could write it in PHP and I think you&#039;re pretty proficient in PHP too <img src='http://www.stuffbysarah.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: 45n5</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffbysarah.net/2006/08/10/reading-feeds-on-a-pda/#comment-1907</link>
		<dc:creator>45n5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I already read a fair few sites and cannot understand why full feeds cannot be put out by these sites&quot;.   

The first time somebody starts republishing your feed on their spam blog, word for every last word, and every single post you make, you might get an understanding.  I don&#039;t mind when people republish my snippets, but if I&#039;m sending a full feed, the ENTIRE POST gets ripped off and syndicated elsewhere.  Sure they can scrape a non rss site to steal, but it&#039;s much harder and much less popular.  Rss theft takes little time and little thought with many software packages and tutorials to help.

I&#039;ve had it happen many times (1-2 times per week at it&#039;s peak on my popular site) by spammers and it is quite a headache.  I&#039;ve got better things to do than chase these people down.

I&#039;ve also allowed a site to republish my entire feed which had more authority than mine (this was with my permission, I thought the exposure would be good), and then google dropped my site like a hot tomale!!!  Googlebot saw the content on two sites and thought I was the scraper, arhhh.  I quit that real fast and went through the reinclusion request  process.  It took forever to get back in the index.  (point: others republishing your full feed can kill your serps, watch it like a hawk)

I&#039;ll probably never publish a full feed again until the technology can prevent people from republishing the feed, or I&#039;m willing to scan daily to make sure It&#039;s not getting republished.

It&#039;s an old debate full vs. snippet.  Just my 2 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;I already read a fair few sites and cannot understand why full feeds cannot be put out by these sites&#034;.   </p>
<p>The first time somebody starts republishing your feed on their spam blog, word for every last word, and every single post you make, you might get an understanding.  I don&#039;t mind when people republish my snippets, but if I&#039;m sending a full feed, the ENTIRE POST gets ripped off and syndicated elsewhere.  Sure they can scrape a non rss site to steal, but it&#039;s much harder and much less popular.  Rss theft takes little time and little thought with many software packages and tutorials to help.</p>
<p>I&#039;ve had it happen many times (1-2 times per week at it&#039;s peak on my popular site) by spammers and it is quite a headache.  I&#039;ve got better things to do than chase these people down.</p>
<p>I&#039;ve also allowed a site to republish my entire feed which had more authority than mine (this was with my permission, I thought the exposure would be good), and then google dropped my site like a hot tomale!!!  Googlebot saw the content on two sites and thought I was the scraper, arhhh.  I quit that real fast and went through the reinclusion request  process.  It took forever to get back in the index.  (point: others republishing your full feed can kill your serps, watch it like a hawk)</p>
<p>I&#039;ll probably never publish a full feed again until the technology can prevent people from republishing the feed, or I&#039;m willing to scan daily to make sure It&#039;s not getting republished.</p>
<p>It&#039;s an old debate full vs. snippet.  Just my 2 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris H</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffbysarah.net/2006/08/10/reading-feeds-on-a-pda/#comment-1906</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, wp took the code out. Twas the more function.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, wp took the code out. Twas the more function.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffbysarah.net/2006/08/10/reading-feeds-on-a-pda/#comment-1904</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The function?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The function?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris H</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffbysarah.net/2006/08/10/reading-feeds-on-a-pda/#comment-1903</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and do you know if the  function in a post gets in the way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and do you know if the  function in a post gets in the way?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point.

Mine now sent as full text.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point.</p>
<p>Mine now sent as full text.</p>
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