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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffbysarah.net/2008/09/02/mobile-phone-contract-renewals/comment-page-1/#comment-16372</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andrew, if you&#039;ve got the time I&#039;m sure it could work. Trouble is it&#039;s a lot of time phoning back and forth. I just don&#039;t agree with the way they work, but I&#039;ve only got 12 months left to go now before I can move on ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew, if you&#039;ve got the time I&#039;m sure it could work. Trouble is it&#039;s a lot of time phoning back and forth. I just don&#039;t agree with the way they work, but I&#039;ve only got 12 months left to go now before I can move on <img src='http://www.stuffbysarah.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffbysarah.net/2008/09/02/mobile-phone-contract-renewals/comment-page-1/#comment-16367</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Came across this blog while searching for renewal tips.  I&#039;m with Vodafone as well, and probably spent over £2000 in the last 3 years, so more on par with Dave&#039;s spending/usage than yours.

The &quot;threatening to leave&quot; tactic DOES work, not just with vodafone, but pretty much ANY service provider, whether it&#039;s a phone network, or your Sky TV, etc.

I think it depends how you do it, maybe you need to have a viable &quot;plan b&quot; and mention it to them, to prove you&#039;re serious, e.g. I phoned Sky once and told them I was leaving because I didn&#039;t t watch the TV due to a) too many women in the household watching soaps and b) nothing on at the time I would be able to watch things, so I was essentially only using the broadband service which I could get a lot cheaper elsewhere.

This was obviously a loaded statement and a bit of a lie, but I knew they would counter my threats to leave with an offer of a sky+ box.  Lo and behold, they gave me a free box along with a reduced installation, and a much reduced waiting time to get it installed (e.g. 3 days later).

Apparently you can probably get away with the &quot;I&#039;m leaving&quot; story every 12/18 months, and get improved deals. :)

But onto Vodafone - I had a data plan with them that at the time I thought was reasonable, but due to financial reasons I got rid of the service.  Soon after, I started getting text messages from vodafone offering me ever increasingly better deals on a data plan, until eventually I think they were offering unlimited use at the same price I had been paying for just 120mb of usage.  If I actually had the money I would have signed up for that :)

So, I&#039;m due a renewal, and I want a phone that has GPS, and unlimited data plans and a good deal on text messaging.  iPhone 3G looks like a good option, but that&#039;s on O2.  So this is the planned course of action.  I&#039;m going to do this while sitting at a computer so I can compare online deals and check reviews at the same time. :)

1) Phone VF near the end of the month (sales targets might need to be met, meaning deals will be more forthcoming), tell them I am thinking of leaving as I like the look of the iPhone, which they don&#039;t have.  A similar type of phone would be the Nokia 5800, but there might be others they might suggest.  Listen to their first offer, as they will undoubtedly try.  I won&#039;t force it any lower, I&#039;ll just say I&#039;m considering it.

2) Phone O2, tell them I&#039;m thinking of leaving VF, as I like the look of the iPhone, but that VF have offered me a deal to stay.  Basically I am hoping they will give me a slightly improved deal than advertised.  I don&#039;t expect it to be a massive improvement as new customers get good deals anyway, but it&#039;s not that important.  I will take the name of the person offering it, and tell them I will phone back once I&#039;ve got my PAC code from VF and my existing contract with VF has expired.

3) Phone up VF again and tell them the offer I&#039;ve received on the O2, and see what new deal they can offer.  Whatever the offer is they can probably do better, so I will take the details down and the name of the person offering it, but will end the call by telling them I&#039;ll think about it, but that I will probably let my contract expire and then get the PAC code from them then.

4) Wait for the contract to expire, if they&#039;ve not phoned back with an improved deal by then, phone them up (again, near the end of the month), request the PAC code, get it, hang up.  

5) I&#039;ve been told there is a period of time in which the PAC code can effectively be cancelled on the new provider, meaning it still stays with Vodafone.  Usually within a few days Vodafone will call you, essentially begging you to come back with an improved deal. At this point there&#039;s not much more you can do to get a better offer so you might as well take it.

But, if they don&#039;t, Plan B is the iPhone which still looks like a decent compromise :D

Do you think this tactic will work? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Came across this blog while searching for renewal tips.  I&#039;m with Vodafone as well, and probably spent over £2000 in the last 3 years, so more on par with Dave&#039;s spending/usage than yours.</p>
<p>The &#034;threatening to leave&#034; tactic DOES work, not just with vodafone, but pretty much ANY service provider, whether it&#039;s a phone network, or your Sky TV, etc.</p>
<p>I think it depends how you do it, maybe you need to have a viable &#034;plan b&#034; and mention it to them, to prove you&#039;re serious, e.g. I phoned Sky once and told them I was leaving because I didn&#039;t t watch the TV due to a) too many women in the household watching soaps and b) nothing on at the time I would be able to watch things, so I was essentially only using the broadband service which I could get a lot cheaper elsewhere.</p>
<p>This was obviously a loaded statement and a bit of a lie, but I knew they would counter my threats to leave with an offer of a sky+ box.  Lo and behold, they gave me a free box along with a reduced installation, and a much reduced waiting time to get it installed (e.g. 3 days later).</p>
<p>Apparently you can probably get away with the &#034;I&#039;m leaving&#034; story every 12/18 months, and get improved deals. <img src='http://www.stuffbysarah.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But onto Vodafone &#8211; I had a data plan with them that at the time I thought was reasonable, but due to financial reasons I got rid of the service.  Soon after, I started getting text messages from vodafone offering me ever increasingly better deals on a data plan, until eventually I think they were offering unlimited use at the same price I had been paying for just 120mb of usage.  If I actually had the money I would have signed up for that <img src='http://www.stuffbysarah.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So, I&#039;m due a renewal, and I want a phone that has GPS, and unlimited data plans and a good deal on text messaging.  iPhone 3G looks like a good option, but that&#039;s on O2.  So this is the planned course of action.  I&#039;m going to do this while sitting at a computer so I can compare online deals and check reviews at the same time. <img src='http://www.stuffbysarah.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>1) Phone VF near the end of the month (sales targets might need to be met, meaning deals will be more forthcoming), tell them I am thinking of leaving as I like the look of the iPhone, which they don&#039;t have.  A similar type of phone would be the Nokia 5800, but there might be others they might suggest.  Listen to their first offer, as they will undoubtedly try.  I won&#039;t force it any lower, I&#039;ll just say I&#039;m considering it.</p>
<p>2) Phone O2, tell them I&#039;m thinking of leaving VF, as I like the look of the iPhone, but that VF have offered me a deal to stay.  Basically I am hoping they will give me a slightly improved deal than advertised.  I don&#039;t expect it to be a massive improvement as new customers get good deals anyway, but it&#039;s not that important.  I will take the name of the person offering it, and tell them I will phone back once I&#039;ve got my PAC code from VF and my existing contract with VF has expired.</p>
<p>3) Phone up VF again and tell them the offer I&#039;ve received on the O2, and see what new deal they can offer.  Whatever the offer is they can probably do better, so I will take the details down and the name of the person offering it, but will end the call by telling them I&#039;ll think about it, but that I will probably let my contract expire and then get the PAC code from them then.</p>
<p>4) Wait for the contract to expire, if they&#039;ve not phoned back with an improved deal by then, phone them up (again, near the end of the month), request the PAC code, get it, hang up.  </p>
<p>5) I&#039;ve been told there is a period of time in which the PAC code can effectively be cancelled on the new provider, meaning it still stays with Vodafone.  Usually within a few days Vodafone will call you, essentially begging you to come back with an improved deal. At this point there&#039;s not much more you can do to get a better offer so you might as well take it.</p>
<p>But, if they don&#039;t, Plan B is the iPhone which still looks like a decent compromise <img src='http://www.stuffbysarah.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Do you think this tactic will work? <img src='http://www.stuffbysarah.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffbysarah.net/2008/09/02/mobile-phone-contract-renewals/comment-page-1/#comment-14961</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joe, it&#039;s a 14 day cooling off period when you renew, and it was 2 months ago, so the option isn&#039;t an option sadly else I would have :)

And yes, you can get a free N95 with other networks, Vodaphone included. That&#039;s the argument here. I&#039;d rather not leave Vodaphone, however after the way they&#039;ve treated me as a customer, I will be when the contract is over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joe, it&#039;s a 14 day cooling off period when you renew, and it was 2 months ago, so the option isn&#039;t an option sadly else I would have <img src='http://www.stuffbysarah.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And yes, you can get a free N95 with other networks, Vodaphone included. That&#039;s the argument here. I&#039;d rather not leave Vodaphone, however after the way they&#039;ve treated me as a customer, I will be when the contract is over.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffbysarah.net/2008/09/02/mobile-phone-contract-renewals/comment-page-1/#comment-14960</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, you can cancel your contract within 30 days of signing with Vodafone! Also, you are able to obtain a free N95 with a good contract with any other network depending on your criteria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, you can cancel your contract within 30 days of signing with Vodafone! Also, you are able to obtain a free N95 with a good contract with any other network depending on your criteria.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffbysarah.net/2008/09/02/mobile-phone-contract-renewals/comment-page-1/#comment-14959</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Marsha, well it&#039;s good to know. I may give you a shout in 2010!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Marsha, well it&#039;s good to know. I may give you a shout in 2010!</p>
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		<title>By: marsha</title>
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		<dc:creator>marsha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to hear that about the dealer going out of business.  There are some reputable ones about.  We have been going since 1991 and won business dealer of the year last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to hear that about the dealer going out of business.  There are some reputable ones about.  We have been going since 1991 and won business dealer of the year last year.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffbysarah.net/2008/09/02/mobile-phone-contract-renewals/comment-page-1/#comment-14956</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael - it sounds like a plan but I certainly didn&#039;t have the time at the time of upgrading this year, else I&#039;d have probably argued my point over the phone.

Marsha - I&#039;m not a fan of dealers, mainly because they&#039;re more likely to go out of business. I signed my Mum up through a dealer and it changed hands twice before she finally tried to update something and ended up going to Vodaphone direct who told her the old dealer had gone bust over a year ago. Sometimes it&#039;s just less hassle sticking with the main provider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael &#8211; it sounds like a plan but I certainly didn&#039;t have the time at the time of upgrading this year, else I&#039;d have probably argued my point over the phone.</p>
<p>Marsha &#8211; I&#039;m not a fan of dealers, mainly because they&#039;re more likely to go out of business. I signed my Mum up through a dealer and it changed hands twice before she finally tried to update something and ended up going to Vodaphone direct who told her the old dealer had gone bust over a year ago. Sometimes it&#039;s just less hassle sticking with the main provider.</p>
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		<title>By: marsha</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffbysarah.net/2008/09/02/mobile-phone-contract-renewals/comment-page-1/#comment-14951</link>
		<dc:creator>marsha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes if you go to a dealer rather than direct to the network you&#039;ll find you&#039;ll get a better deal.  We are a dealer that try to do anything to keep our business customers happy. We have a free phone number 08000938971 which means you call us free and we will do free quotes for you on all of the networks.  Come to us next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes if you go to a dealer rather than direct to the network you&#039;ll find you&#039;ll get a better deal.  We are a dealer that try to do anything to keep our business customers happy. We have a free phone number 08000938971 which means you call us free and we will do free quotes for you on all of the networks.  Come to us next time.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bad luck Sarah. Bit late to suggest this now, but I&#039;ve had more success going direct into the phone providers shop and &quot;having a debate&quot; with them in there. Last time I went in with my missus to get a new contract phone for her and we ended up with the phone she wanted, on the required contract, along with a free bluetooth headset and amusingly they gave us 20 quid out of the till!

Only problem with this approach is that you need to put at least an hour aside to go through the various deals they&#039;ll invariably offer and play hardball with them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad luck Sarah. Bit late to suggest this now, but I&#039;ve had more success going direct into the phone providers shop and &#034;having a debate&#034; with them in there. Last time I went in with my missus to get a new contract phone for her and we ended up with the phone she wanted, on the required contract, along with a free bluetooth headset and amusingly they gave us 20 quid out of the till!</p>
<p>Only problem with this approach is that you need to put at least an hour aside to go through the various deals they&#039;ll invariably offer and play hardball with them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 07:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been with Orange before, trouble is the Vodaphone reception seems much better, at least where I&#039;ve been and found trouble with Orange.

Anyway, I&#039;ve got about 16 months now so I&#039;ll see what&#039;s around in early 2010 (blimey that sounds a long time away!) and take it from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve been with Orange before, trouble is the Vodaphone reception seems much better, at least where I&#039;ve been and found trouble with Orange.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#039;ve got about 16 months now so I&#039;ll see what&#039;s around in early 2010 (blimey that sounds a long time away!) and take it from there.</p>
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